How bad do these shrink in the wash?

They don't seem to shrink, but they run small. If you normally wear L, I suggest you buy XL. Also they are of the absolute cheapest quality you'll likely ever buy including threads unwinding on literally every seam. They smelled like diesel fuel when unpacked which is a trick Chinese use to keep stuff from being bug or infested during shipping, so you'll need to run them through the wash a couple of times before wearing. Oh ya', they are not colorfast & will bleed their die on anything else you was them with.

Yes, but they are very small. Phone half hangs out and falls out constantly.

What size should I order for a 38 inch waist

I ordered XL. And that what I wear

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